Joseph A. Gervasi interviews Michael McManus of the '80s Philadelphia hardcore band Pagan Babies. They talk about Mike's upbringing and discovery of punk; the early shows he went to at Love Hall, Abe's Steaks, the Crypt, etc.; hanging out with Bob Mould and talking wrestling; forming the band and putting out an EP on Kevin Seconds' Positive Force records and an LP on Hawker; almost playing wiffle ball with King Diamond (okay, not really); touring the US in a deadly-hot van; the demise and temporary resurrection of the band; playing with the hardcore band The Heels; playing the Ruin re-union show; and Mike's abiding love of HC. Mike rules! Spend some time with him.